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Post by Draffle on Dec 8, 2010 15:00:05 GMT -5
it was only a idea i talked about in the cbox, but someone im not going to menton told me that i should make a suggestion out of it.
I was thinking that people breaking into TD HQ could become prisoners if the chars member are willing to. It could help TD and the char gaining levels by it erupting pokefigths between them, and for TD members not currently in use could be used as guards. That way some members could get their post count up. And it could lead to alot of funny scenes in the threads.
Draffle
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Post by Black Ranger Talis on Dec 8, 2010 15:09:20 GMT -5
Meh. I think that it would result in TD winning. Everyone would get caught, TD would only get stronger while the members don't.
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Post by arionne ♥ on Dec 8, 2010 15:21:43 GMT -5
+, if you were a prisoner, you wouldn't be able to train up in other places and advance in the routes. It's a good idea, but complicated to implement.
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Post by Sp❣rit on Dec 8, 2010 20:28:06 GMT -5
I would volunteer for it~ I think it would be fun. Especially because I have two characters, so it wouldn't be like I could never go in the route.
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Post by Spirit Marisa Kirisame on Dec 9, 2010 8:48:40 GMT -5
We could do it like we sorta do it on Anrui? 24-48 hours no post period, and when that limit's up you can RP out your breakout. If it's substantial and decent quality, you're free to go, if not, you get another battle, etc.
It could totally help for like, RPing uses or something. I only have Harper, but it'd be cool to try if I could get him in there.
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Post by Warr on Dec 9, 2010 12:31:08 GMT -5
If it's substantial and decent quality, you're free to go, if not, you get another battle, etc. How is that going to work when after you lose they take all your Pokemon and throw you in a cell? I highly doubt you're just going to find a belt of Pokemon that're high enough level to staff them away, or a Pokemon that's high enough level to staff them away. I'm firmly against TD taking prisoners, as whatever this conflict over Cheyenne is, TD is already unquestioningly winning, they don't need to be able to imprison people trying to go free their stolen Pokemon.
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Post by arionne ♥ on Dec 9, 2010 12:43:09 GMT -5
Warr;;
Did you even read those powerplant threads? Please tell me how TD has been unquestioningly winning.
I'm kind of meh about prisoners, but I guess it could work the way Hata suggests it (though i'm not TOO keen on taking the idea directly from anrui XD )
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Post by Warr on Dec 9, 2010 12:53:12 GMT -5
Warr;; Did you even read those powerplant threads? Please tell me how TD has been unquestioningly winning. No, no I did not. Because I was told specifically by at least one Admin [Spirit] that if I stepped foot in the Powerplant, my Pokémon would be 'insta-fainted.' So I didn't participate, and the Power Plant is Password protected. I don't have the password because I didn't participate, I didn't read those Powerplant threads. *Rubs temples* Sorry, I didn't mean that to come off all huffy puffy. But the fact is, in every case other than that, TD already has an overwhelming hand over people. Not only are they higher level, but they'll win most battles they're not ganged up on in because of that, and thus jump to even higher, thanks to the current leveling system, which accounts for wins but not level differences, at least in trainer pokemon.
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Post by (ノಠ益ಠ on Dec 9, 2010 12:58:08 GMT -5
Warr, I got my ASS handed to me in the power-plant. Josh is part of TD, not a regular trainer. We ALL got owned, eventually. I think there were only two or three victories, and a billion losses? WE couldn't heal, while all of you guys could. So once we won, they just came back with refreshed Pokemon and whooped our butts completely.
You did sound kinda huffy :/ But then again, I felt a little cheated when everyone ganged up on me, too.
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Post by Warr on Dec 9, 2010 13:06:06 GMT -5
Warr, I got my ASS handed to me in the power-plant. Josh is part of TD, not a regular trainer. There's part of the root of the problem that I'm perceiving. xD 'Not a regular trainer.' He's still a regular trainer, he's just apart of TD. The only TD members which should play by different rules are Blaze and Syl. I didn't know they could heal but you couldn't, I thought no one could heal because the Pokemon Center was out because the lack of power. That much at least I didn't factor into it. As I said, anyone who brings up Powerplant arguments to me is going to just get me going 'uh, what?' because I don't know what went on, I never got ahold of the password to the forum it went down in. xD How many players where in that thread? Because I recall bitching about 11v3. I know that that's not fair to you guys either, but there's no way that people can win and push the arc that's pushed on them without ganging up. A similar thing happened on the forums I've called my home since 2006, and yeah, the same thing happened, the weaker 'resistance' ganged up and eventually beat the 'badguys'. Right now, TD has a lot of the older and more powerful members in it, and no counter balance. There's no way to stop them from OOC/ICly harassing every member into making a TD member, or randomly attacking them IC [Like Zeno just tried to do to me in my not open to the public thread], and turning around getting levels out the butt for it. I'm going to bring it up in Mod chat I think, as the big issue isn't TD's power. It's that they can keep the edge over people perpetually, because of how leveling currently works. =/
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Post by (ノಠ益ಠ on Dec 9, 2010 13:22:35 GMT -5
No. We. Can't.
God, Warr, the powerplant was awful. It was ACTUALLY 2v2, in my thread. But they had a SHITTON of Pokemon, and managed to beat us anyways! And the Light side has Ava and well I think Jack's with them? Anyways, they're strong too!
I think you're just upset that you can't win, tbh :/ And really, eventually there'll be a way. I doubt the admins plan to shut down gym challenges FOREVER. -eye roll- Imagine what it was like for US when we couldn't participate in route/battle threads because we couldn't heal our Pokémon!
EDIT: and yeah, he's a normal trainer, I just really didn't know what to call you guys other than 'regular trainers' seeing as Team Death has a name to it and you guys, well, don't. The light side? idk.
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Post by arionne ♥ on Dec 9, 2010 13:26:24 GMT -5
Warr, [OPEN] and [NOTOPENLOL] threads don't apply to TD.
Don't bother bringing it up in mod chat. I think everyone might want a say in this.
The levelling system we have does not take into account difference in levels, but it IS one that works rather well. Weaker members can take advantage of it, but some of you just aren't. Whether or not they are 'keeping the edge' is due to the fact that they have been here longer, more than the fact they are 'lolherptd'
That's not what ele meant. They all mostly play by the same rules, but they do get some extra perks being in TD. Such as being able to crash your thread if they want to.
But you know what the real issue is? You guys can't stand losing. There is a certain pride involved that makes it so that you just don't WANT to lose. Yes, so maybe I want you all to feel defeat, at least once, before anyone gets into TD.
Maybe I did rig it, or maybe the normal members are just a bit weaker. But really, you are in TD's home turf. sneaking in, and not TRYING to get all the attention of every other TD member to be on you.
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Post by (ノಠ益ಠ on Dec 9, 2010 13:41:35 GMT -5
Oh, and don't forget the NPC's that are on the Light side. And have ridiculously high levels.
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Post by Warr on Dec 9, 2010 13:43:51 GMT -5
Warr, [OPEN] and [NOTOPENLOL] threads don't apply to TD. Don't bother bringing it up in mod chat. I think everyone might want a say in this. Don't bother bringing up the silly leveling system where a level 50 can beat a level 3 and get 2 levels? xD In one hit beat them too. Working Well/=/perfect. I'm looking at it from the opposite side lens of you. The guy who's level 3 Magnemite and level 1 Weedle beat a Zubat after 4-5 posts, and then gains half a level on each of them, when someone who's got a level 50 one hits a level 5 and gets 2 levels for it. That's not what ele meant. They all mostly play by the same rules, but they do get some extra perks being in TD. Such as being able to crash your thread if they want to.[/quote] Shouldn't be mostly. Anything they do that's 'special' should be entirely ICly breaking IC rules. Otherwise it's not an even playing field for players and there's no fairness and it generally will get people to play for a little bit, then get frustrated if at every time they're losing if they don't play a trainer who is a constant battler in liquid time threads outside of their Journey. There is no 'You Guys' in this case. I've said it once before, before Felix said 'Hey Warren I want you to join me on this raid against TD', I was entirely Neutral. ICly Warren might've heard rumors about TD, but he wasn't actively against them. I have no problem losing, but I do have problem losing in a fight where me winning in a foregone conclusion. The rules talk about strategy and quality and stuff, but those don't matter when you're fighting a person that's 4 times your level with each of their Pokemon. Did I say I was talking about the TD thread? No. I'm talking about stuff like Felix being talked to about joining TD, and then offered stuff OOCly. xD He then asked me to join TD, I said no, because that stacks it even more in TD's favor and it's entirely out of the character I've played so far. You might've rigged it a bit, but that's not what I'm talking about. If you want to make assaulting TD's HQ hard, that's your business, that's TD'S HQ. I'm talking about TD in other threads, where they're attacking people in routes and other places which are possibly far from TD'S HQ and [in a normal region] would probably be patrolled by Police officers. The leveling system and TD need to be looked at, and I'm not saying this because I myself am solely butthurt, other people are frustrated at it too. I really like Cheyenne, and want to see it do well, but the TD stuff is out of hand as it stands. I don't know how many members TD has, but not enough to justify them coming into people's threads with stuff like ZenoZatch posting 2 half sentences about how he's challenging me and he's a TD Grunt and how if I opt out I lose regardless. When they can go plow through someone and then get a level higher than they already were from the person, there's a problem. 4 times below his level, and he will get 2 times the EXP I get, just and solely because he's been here longer and is TD, so has pokemon 4 times my level. The leveling system makes no sense, and is OOCly unfair. Losing will just continue to happen if TD can randomly pick targets because there's no such thing as a closed thread, and they can get 2 levels instantly. But- I've got to go to work, and I know I sound grumbly. <3 I've said my piece, and am going to shut up about it for now. There's no reason to start a fight with people I consider to be friends, and I know people are going to get touchy if I keep it up. <3 Do whatever.
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Post by Sp❣rit on Dec 9, 2010 13:51:51 GMT -5
Believe me, the Gyms won't be closed forever. There will be trainers that can be beaten. Things can be done. We aren't trying to be mean, because even TD wants to challenge the gym from time to time.
Who mentioned anything about that?
It would be just for the sake of roleplaying, really. ARI I WANNA BE THE TEST DUMMY.
So far, no one has abused that where Pokémon are taken out in one hit. When it comes down to it, yes, we will go in the thread an tell the member that they need a little more effort into their trainer battles if they want any levels.
People don't interact enough for this to happen. They really...really...don't. And they can't stand losing.
This is getting off topic. But TD rules don't apply to member rules, seeing that TD is instant plot.
First part of this: You like to know when you win and lose.
Second part: Again. this hasn't happened yet. And TD is following the PP level rules for each alive Pokemon, they gain one level, and all that have fainted gain .5 levels.
Dude. the only TD person I see going around doing this is Blaze, and that was for the Power Plant. Where is this happening?
The level system is this way because look at where people are. This site has been around for like, 4 years and only 5 people got to the league. Levels are hard to come by, and yes, some people just wan to hurry the heck up and be done with it.
Jay has been trying so hard lately, and I mean, so hard. I'm not robbing him of his level rules, but if he's going around attacking level 3s, I'll prod him. But other than that, I can't think of anyone in that level range.
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Post by Black Ranger Talis on Dec 9, 2010 13:57:25 GMT -5
Element and I lost HORRIBLY in our PP threads. I mean seriously. It was a massacre. Xer's Pokemon got insta-fainted because she couldn't get on to post. Shamu lost. Dougie was evacuated before he could win. I think Xer got one victory, before subsequently getting her ass handed to her in the next round. And we were all OK with it.
We live with it because the villains and the good guys have their up moments and their down moments. In the PP, it was a down moment for the Dark side and an up side for the Light. Just deal. Shit happens. RPing is about losing sometimes, and not getting your own way. And dealing with unexpected situations such as being pwned four on one, or someone much stronger than you defeating you. It's how all RP sites work.
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Post by arionne ♥ on Dec 9, 2010 13:59:00 GMT -5
The level system is different if you battle a trainer vs a wild Pokémon. Vs trainer, you always get more than ou do a wild pokemon, even if it takes only one shot to beat them up. If you want levels, going against someone that can beat you up in about one shot IS the fastest way to go. So the system needs a bit of work, but for now, that is what we have. It's an uphill battle until you get to a certain point, and then the rest of the journey is a joke.
And for the record, TD does not get to constantly go into threads to pwn people. It is regulated. So maybe they do pick on some newbie trainers, but it is, at the end of the day, an easy level.
I wasn't talking about you, but members in general. No one likes to lose.
We really don't have that many members, especially active ones. I would say around 7, 8? Which isn't a lot.
I do know that it is a bit unfair for high-levelled trainers to just plow through you, but TD is supposed to be more than just a random, weakling of a team. However, as mentioned above, they are not allowed to do it all the time. We do have a system, and TD is there to wreck havoc and make you miserable once in a while.
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Post by (ノಠ益ಠ on Dec 9, 2010 15:41:55 GMT -5
Oh and Warr - I don't jump into a lot of threads and own people. I've done it ONCE, and Arionne knows the reason for that xD
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I like the idea of prisoners, too, it would amuse me. But I think the member would have to give willing consent - unless it was only for a small period of time like, one day xD
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Post by Sp❣rit on Dec 9, 2010 17:02:08 GMT -5
I'll seriously be the test dummy. Someone just has to make the plan to kidnap Seamus, and we can work something out. Reason? They want him to join TD. He's not interested in a dirty gang of children.
It could kind of test how the breaking out thing would work. And if its a good enough idea.
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Post by blufii on Dec 10, 2010 9:03:30 GMT -5
Um, I don't know if I should get involved in this, but as a complete outsider's perspective & opinion:
I think this idea is wicked *v*
With all honesty, I actually don't mind the random hopping in of the TD members in our threads... First I actually was annoyed when I had a TD member pop in, but then it's actually not that bad really. I mean, this is all for fun, if a TD person comes in who's really strong, oh well - it's still fun :/... The challenges makes things eventful really. I mean, it gets boring if you repeatedly battle a NPC. And plus, it's no different if a regular (non TD) OC wants a battle. The only difference is the name ;/. (SORRY OFFTOPIC BIGGO.)
Maybe I just shouldn't get involved in this discussion but I just think that the idea is really cool. I really like things to spice up, and I think Cheyenne really has that core to it.
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