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Post by Warr on Dec 2, 2010 5:10:04 GMT -5
So I have a request, and I know it may seem like a selfish one and a stupid one and so forth. But it's not really me trying to be selfish. XD
Inevitably, Warren's Weedle, Scuttlebutt; is going to grow. And in normal cases he would evolve, because the fact is there's no logical way he can't evolve and stay competitive at all as he'll have 3 moves and only 3 moves; unable to learn TMs or HMs or be able to be born with special moves. The same is true of Caterpies; in the end.
So- because people don't want me to evolve him [and there's a number of people who want to see him as a Weedle forever, even including me]. So I'm at an impasse, and think anyone who might have a Caterpie which they didn't want to evolve [and to a lesser extent Wurmples as they can actually learn 4 moves naturally]; could be at one too potentially.
I can't teach Scuttlebutt HMs or TMs. I'd disappoint his fans if I made him a Kakuna and then Beedrill. The rules say because he couldn't learn it normally he can't learn it here; and bug types of his sort don't even have the ability to learn baby moves.
I'd like to be able to use Bug Type [Or Bug Type/Poison Type] TMs on Scuttlebutt and for him to be able to learn them through that; alternatively allowing him to simply learn new bug moves naturally as he levels up, but only at certain levels and only a few moves; which would still limit him considerably.
Finally, and most stretchingly, [and unlikely I imagine], TMs at certain levels and the ability to learn some of Kakuna and Beedrill's techniques.
Comments, and not just on me being able to use them, if there should be some Cheyenne amendment to make those buggies less gimped than others? All I'm asking for, honestly, is the ability for Scuttlebutt to learn those things, so he isn't a dead weight to Warren's party in the future.
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Post by arionne ♥ on Dec 2, 2010 7:51:47 GMT -5
This is a pretty selfish request XP
But maybe something in the lines of every 10 levels after your last move, you can learn one of those common TMs that every other Pokémon can learn? Most of them are normal type, things like return, attract, captivate, hyper beam, toxic, protect, secret power, light screen, protect... a lot of passive moves, a couple of aggressive ones.
The TMs would have to be looked up, I suppose, and it would have to make sense with a weedle.
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Post by Sp❣rit on Dec 2, 2010 10:32:01 GMT -5
I don't mind so much. But it can NEVER EVER EVER EVOLVE. If it does I am instantly taking it away, because that would be going against your original idea.
Though really, a Weedle with Poison Sting, String Shot, and Bug Bite could get really far on its own if it was at a high enough level. I don't see the need to make it super strong, since that is the risk you are taking by keeping it a Weedle.
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Post by Warr on Dec 2, 2010 23:12:30 GMT -5
I don't mind so much. But it can NEVER EVER EVER EVOLVE. If it does I am instantly taking it away, because that would be going against your original idea. If I am able to do this in some way or another, then I don't have a -reason- to make him evolve. I know tons of people love his antics and don't want to see me evolve him; so I'm trying to keep him unevolved without in turn gimping Warren's team or having to put him in the PC [which would be against the point of not evolving him] If it was a high enough level, but it's going to be overwhelmingly hard to get it to such a level. It's got a few sizable weaknesses, and the fact is it's got sizable weaknesses that can be easily exploited in any competitive battle, especially if he can't learn any new techniques. I know there's a handful of people who would be disappointed if I evolved him; and without some level of being able to learn other moves, there's little choice I have; mascot or not. If I decided to say 'shove it' to those who don't want to see him evolve, I both get to learn techniques as Kakuna [Harden] but also a laundry list of techniques as a Beedrill, and finally have access to TMs. Normal TMs wouldn't be too disatisfactory, but some of the bug type TMs might possibly fit him too [Fury Cutter for instance]. I don't even care if I have to use the TM but also spend a few posts training him into learning the move or he can't actually use it properly until he's battled five or six times trying to use it. xD
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Post by Sp❣rit on Dec 3, 2010 11:03:12 GMT -5
No it isn't. Sure, we consider some stats like Umbreons awesome defense stat and Rampardos's high attack stat, but you've got to consider that you chose a Weedle.
You can't get rid of its weaknesses.
You have to adapt to it in a competitive battle.
Fit it into the rest of your team somehow if you're that concerned for your character.
Buy rare candies from people. Train him against other trainers and accept that yes, you will lose with your Weedle every once in a while, but you still gain levels for effort. I did it. Other people did it. Don't be afraid to lose.
Ultimately, after further thought on the situation, I don't think it would be fair to alter the Weedle's move-pool by leveling up. But maybe one of Beedrill's move tutor moves could be acceptable. Someone gave me a Weedle as my starter, and slapped on one of those and no one objected.
We might have a move tutor in the future, so you can teach one move to Weedle that is Beedrill's move tutor's attacks. But this person might have a fee that you will have to accept.
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Post by Black Ranger Talis on Dec 3, 2010 11:12:00 GMT -5
Beedrill's tutor moves.There are some pretty impressive moves there. One of those would help immensely in competitive battles. You can basically stick with 7 good and one kinda weak Pokemon, or alternatively, let it evolve and have Scuttlebutt babies for the effect his current form has over some.
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Post by arionne ♥ on Dec 3, 2010 13:57:19 GMT -5
I think spirit has a point. By choosing to keep it underlevelled, you would have to accept that it would be a lot weaker.
Some move tutor moves [swift, knock off, endeavor] would work with a weedle. I don't see it doing a fury cutter though XD
Otherwise, you could try to be creative with the move you do have. I have seen people use string shots like a tarzan vine, stringshot+poisonstring as a poison ball... no onewould really object to those.
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Post by Warr on Dec 3, 2010 14:29:47 GMT -5
Beedrill's tutor moves. True, but there's currently no move tutor. If he gained access to Beedrill's move tutor list moves, and was able to learn even just one it'd make things different. If as Spirit says, this is okay; when the Move Tutor opens up, I probably won't have as much of a problem. Teaching him some of Beedrill's moves. [Fury Attack, maybe?] Or normal moves would make it deal-with able. When a move tutor shows up. Honestly- that's what I've been considering doing. Keeping him a Weedle for a bit, and then letting him evolve [perhaps without him himself wanting to evolve], his Caterpie friend and him hooking up; = Scuttlebutt babies, and Scuttlebutt Jr to be the Mascot for the team, while also giving the chance for people to get a hold of one of his eggs. I know it's not the same, really, but it's close-ish.
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Post by zacariah on Dec 4, 2010 21:44:52 GMT -5
Well if people can beat an entire pokemon game using only a single magikarp (which required reaching lvl 98 to beat the elite four) I imagine you could survive in a roleplay environment, where like the anime, basic / mid stage pokemon can beat legendaries. >_>;
I'm assuming you wanted a challenge when you chose a weedle, so why make it easier on yourself? xD Be like that one trainer I forever idolize from pokemon~ Who fighting ash in the indigo league used a bellsprout and just crushed his team until muk was sent out. =D
Course that's just my opinion and I don't care either way. xD I just don't like people taking the easy way out~
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Post by Warr on Dec 4, 2010 21:53:28 GMT -5
It's not taking the easy way out. When I begin with a Weedle I had 100% intent to evolve him into a Beedrill. But other people love his antics as a weedle, so I'm at qualms with evolving him now as that might disappoint them. xD
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Post by zacariah on Dec 4, 2010 22:02:41 GMT -5
Oh. Well in my opinion you should just do whatever feels best to you. Don't worry so much about everyone else.
Though if you're really that concerned about others I agree evolving him then abusing his children as mascots works best. People get your weedle antics, and you get a beedrill. xP
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Post by Warr on Dec 4, 2010 22:33:16 GMT -5
That is- what I think I'm going to do. He'll still be Scuttlebutt the Weedle for a while though.
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Post by arionne ♥ on Dec 4, 2010 22:44:26 GMT -5
If you're only keeping him for everyone else, and not for yourself, then it's a price you'll have to pay. Down the line, it's your team and your pokemon, and if they liked him as a weedle, his personality isn't going to change as a beedrill, so it shouldn't be that bad. A bit different, but change is good, no?
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Post by freeziepop on Jan 3, 2011 1:18:05 GMT -5
Final Verdict
We don't make exceptions. Sorry. It's a no
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